Hey guys I'm thinking about making some build up latex puppets but..

Hey guys I'm thinking about making some build up latex puppets but i'm not sure what kind of latex to use... I was looking at some stuff on amazon and these are a couple that i saw...

http://www.amazon.com/Builder-Liquid-Latex-Rubber-473ml/dp/B001E1XB...

and 

http://www.amazon.com/Woodland-Scenics-Latex-Rubber-16oz/dp/B000BLI...

but not sure if they're good for puppet building like  the first one says that it wont stick to metal... and i need it to stick to my armature... so if you guys could help me out that would be great... i want something that will cost around $15 and i would prefer it be on amazon.... 

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Ive used the Mold Builder stuff and it seems to work just fine... just wrap your armature in "sport wrap" ... its what boxers use to wrap their hands... it clings to itself and can wrap tightly with lots of flexibility... the latex goes to it like a duck to water

cc

u can find the sport wrap at pretty much any pharmacy...

I looked in 7 pharmacies before I found the sports wrap, and I forgot which one it was. I have never found one that stocks it, or even knows what I am talking about, since then (4 years ago).    Maybe that is just Australia?  But it is sold at Amazon USA.

This is a 12 pack - and I haven't finished my first roll yet, so that sounds like a lot to me.  But here it is:    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004YK4SP0/ref=gno_cart_title_1?ie...

It also comes in a pack of 8 rainbow colours, for $16.99.

I use latex on aluminium armature wire.  (Do not use it directly on brass or copper, which degrades the latex.)  But if I want it to stick really well I spray glue some of the foam underwrap onto the wire first.  I use 3M No. 74 Foamfast spray glue, or No. 76, or sometimes No. 90, but No 77 is not much use at all.  Most spray glues in office supply stores for glueing paper are pretty weak too.  Contact adhesive out of a tube or can works well, and is easier to find.  (And much cheaper than a can of 3M spray glue.) The contact glue sticks strongly to the metal, and the latex soaks in and gets a grip on the pores of the foam.

If I need to put a latex skin over Super Sculpey or wire or anything where it can peel off, I do a coating over the whole thing so it's one continuous layer of latex all the way around, like a rubber glove, and it doesn't come off.

That's odd about the sports wrap nick... i found it everywhere i went ...they definitely have it in the cosmetic section of Target... i know u guys have target right? I watch your version of big brother and heard them talk about it...lolol... dont make fun of me!

cc

On the subject of latex build up, what's the best way to keep the latex from cracking around the fingers?

Cracking?  The latex you dab onto finger wires is like a rubber band.  It shouldn't crack, unless the puppet is a few years old.  Latex does do that with age, just like a really old rubber band that's been exposed to sunlight for a couple of years will break apart in your hand. Or maybe if you mixed a lot of paint into it so it's like 50/50.  It doesn't take much paint to make it flesh coloured.

More likely is the paint on the surface cracking off the latex, if it's just straight paint, and painted on a bit thick with a brush.  So I get the base colour about right by tinting the latex, and maybe even tint some a little bit pinker to dab onto the palms of the hands. Then it takes very little paint to finish off the details.  It's a good idea to mix some pros-aide in with it so it's more flexible.

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Chris, I haven't looked in Target for sports wrap, and especially not in the cosmetics section.  I'll try that next time I'm in Chadstone shopping centre.   I won't make fun of you for watching Big Brother, it's just too sad to make jokes about...   

LOLOLOL

cc

I have tried doing this, but the latex is too 'watery'. How do I thicken it?

StopmoNick said:

Cracking?  The latex you dab onto finger wires is like a rubber band.  It shouldn't crack, unless the puppet is a few years old.  Latex does do that with age, just like a really old rubber band that's been exposed to sunlight for a couple of years will break apart in your hand. Or maybe if you mixed a lot of paint into it so it's like 50/50.  It doesn't take much paint to make it flesh coloured.

More likely is the paint on the surface cracking off the latex, if it's just straight paint, and painted on a bit thick with a brush.  So I get the base colour about right by tinting the latex, and maybe even tint some a little bit pinker to dab onto the palms of the hands. Then it takes very little paint to finish off the details.  It's a good idea to mix some pros-aide in with it so it's more flexible.

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Chris, I haven't looked in Target for sports wrap, and especially not in the cosmetics section.  I'll try that next time I'm in Chadstone shopping centre.   I won't make fun of you for watching Big Brother, it's just too sad to make jokes about...   

Age may be the problem. I built the puppet a couple years ago and have recently been doing some animation tests with it. I'm building a new one and was just worried I might have the same problem. Thanks!

Puppet fingers should last more than a couple of years if kept away from sunlight, but the UV light will break it down faster.

Good to know. I'm probably worrying over nothing. My Krampus puppet has survived the last year with no problems, except for the layer of dust coating his fur. This new puppet is just for animation practice so I can get comfortable with doing my goofy Christmas video. Don't want ruin the good puppet! Thanks again! You guys are swell.

Hey guess thanks for all the advise so i think i'll just go with the one on amazon and maybe get some sports rap... (what do you think about spray on foam and is it worth it to get some, and what brand do you guys recommend?)

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