I have a small question about the face replacement technique similiar to what was used in Coraline. The face was split below the eyes and there is a very visible seam. Was this line cleaned up in post-production?

Quick note about myself-

I have not finished a stop mo film yet. I have done some small test animations with me Canon T1i(500d) and a 12 inch Halo figure and had a blast. Seems like this hobby would combine all of my other hobbies into one product but I have a few questions before I get going.

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Yes, the lines were erased in post. I believe they used a program called Shake, which is like photoshop except it uses a timeline feature so you can apply the same effects frame by frame.

There are varieties of face replacement- some replace the entire face, some divide it in two- like Coraline- the split usually running directly across the eyes- you need less faces if you are doing this, because you get an exponential number of 'combinations'- but you have to lose the seam in post, which is achieved with the equivalent of the Clone stamp tool in photoshop- but, in my opinion, it introduces a lot of digital feel to the colour in these areas- I prefer whole replacement faces, and no digital clean up, personally...I think the strength of great stop motion is at its best when you have no doubt at all you are looking a real physical puppet/set.

There is also a tendency on some of these newer features to use digital tricks like 'digital fog'- always a tough ask in true stop motion sense- but simple as ticking a box in a CGI programme.

Again, in my opinion, it flattens the colour response that photography has over digital simulation. One thing I see no sense in is creating the most beautiful and complex stop motion ever seen, then making it look hard to distinguish from bog standard CGI...


Just my opinion, but these are techniques I am very involved with on my own productions, and I have come to have strong opinions on these issues.

John

I was also curious about how to get around the facial seams... thanks for the tip



edwin elliott said:

I was also curious about how to get around the facial seams... thanks for the tip

One other thing I didn't say- the fact that the seams are usually around the eyes, means they are in the region we, as viewers are drawn to first instinctually- so if there is ANY sense of digital shenanigans, we are going to feel it- even if we cant apprehend what it is about what we are seeing that feels 'less than real'- you could get away with this technique almost anywhere- but 'the eyes have it'

sorry- couldn't resist.

John

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I am sad that digital is being used on the face. I see digital as a great advanatge and will certainly use it in anything I do. I just feel it should be only used to hide rigs and lines. Never should the "actor" be enhanced.

I'll wait til I make something before forming anymore opinion.

Thanks for the responses.

"Again, in my opinion, it flattens the colour response that photography has over digital simulation. One thing I see no sense in is creating the most beautiful and complex stop motion ever seen, then making it look hard to distinguish from bog standard CGI..."

Those are my sentiments..exactly!

John Horabin said:

There are varieties of face replacement- some replace the entire face, some divide it in two- like Coraline- the split usually running directly across the eyes- you need less faces if you are doing this, because you get an exponential number of 'combinations'- but you have to lose the seam in post, which is achieved with the equivalent of the Clone stamp tool in photoshop- but, in my opinion, it introduces a lot of digital feel to the colour in these areas- I prefer whole replacement faces, and no digital clean up, personally...I think the strength of great stop motion is at its best when you have no doubt at all you are looking a real physical puppet/set.

There is also a tendency on some of these newer features to use digital tricks like 'digital fog'- always a tough ask in true stop motion sense- but simple as ticking a box in a CGI programme.

Again, in my opinion, it flattens the colour response that photography has over digital simulation. One thing I see no sense in is creating the most beautiful and complex stop motion ever seen, then making it look hard to distinguish from bog standard CGI...


Just my opinion, but these are techniques I am very involved with on my own productions, and I have come to have strong opinions on these issues.

John

Oh noooo. I was a little upset that the computer was used to remove the lines on Caroline and then again on Paranorman but I just found out today that it was also used to remove the facial seams on The Pirates: Band of Misfits.

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