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Newbie Alert! Computer drive full - Dragonframe 4

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed in regards to computers and this is my very first project.

The software is DragonFrame 4.

I made the mistake of installing it in my old laptop (5 years old) in C drive that is now full. I am half way my project (1500 pictures so far).   The D: drive has lots of space.  I even have a very large and empty external drive available.

How do I make DF4 and my project to work out of the empty drive without losing what I have done so far?

While we are at it, let me ask about TIFF files (DF is saving my pictures as TIFF), Nikon D5600.

Do I need to take pictures in RAW when using a rig or can I delete the rig off TIFF files?

Please confirm that I can not erase delete rig on DF4, I need to export pictures to Lightroom or some other software, delete it there, save it and then bring them back to DF4?

Thanks for the help and apologies for the dumb newbie question....

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Have you tried copying your Dragonframe project files over to the other drive yet? I bet you could copy it then direct DF to open your project there instead.

I used After Effects to do all my rig removal. There are other options out there. I shot my project with hi res jpg and RAW but just used the jpgs and it looked great. 

You should be able to do rig removal from Tiffs.  I do it with Large Fine Jpegs most of the time on my own projects.  I do RAW for clients, and sometimes for my own projects if I think I might need lots of leeway to adjust the exposure.  It's good insurance, but Raw files do use an enormous amount of drive space. 

I would copy all the folders you have so far onto an external drive, or large capacity USB flash drive.  Check that they are ok and readable.  Then try what Anthony said.  I don't know if you can move existing shots onto another drive and have DF find them easily, it's worth trying, but you can certainly save the remaining shots to your D drive.

You can also save the modified shots - re-sized, rig removed, comped and colour adjusted - to an external drive.  I keep my originals until the film is completely finished, graded, and edited though.

I don't save my Dragonframe projects and image file folders files to my main system C drive if I have another (whether actual physical second drive, or partition that reads like a second drive).  I do have to save to the main drive on my 2013 iMac, but then I copy them to a USB flash drive.  When I have a few I back up onto an external hard drive as well.  Then I can delete them from the computer if I need to clear space to keep going.

Thanks StopmoNick and Anthony

But that's is exactly my problem - I want to use the other drive, my question is how do I do that?  I dont see any options on menu for me to direct computer to save pictures in another drive.  I searched in DF guide and on this forum endlessly and can't find anything.  Where do I click to do this?

Same applies for copying and pasting the 1500 pictures already taken.  How do I do that? I tried highlighting the very first picture, then slide to the very last, pressed Control and clicked on last picture but nothing happens.   The only way I managed to get pictures saved on another hard drive was to "export image sequence", but that was just to have the pictures saved somewhere else in case this laptop crashes.   I still need to address the main problem which is to make DF save future captures on a different drive that the software is installed in.

Thanks for the help!

Saving your project from Dragonframe to another drive is done when you create a new scene. Here are the directions from the User Guide pg 147. Step 7 is navigate to the hard drive where you'd like to save Dragonframe Projects.

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When you open Dragonframe, the splash screen opens. From there, you can create a new scene or open an old scene.

To create a new scene:
1. Click
NEW SCENE. The New Scene dialog appears:

  1. Enter a production name or number, up to five characters.

  2. Enter a scene name or number, up to three characters.

  3. Enter a take name or number, up to two characters.

  4. Enter a project frame rate. You can change this later in Scene Set- tings.

  5. Click OK. The New Scene Chooser dialog opens.

  6. Navigate to the folder on your hard drive where you'd like to save Dragonframe projects.

   8. Click SAVE. The Animation workspace opens with the scene you just created.

You can copy your entire project over to another drive if you need to. I just tested it out on my macbook to make sure it worked for me. Find the file you created for your project. It contains all your takes and images. It's called a .dgn folder. If you don't know where they are stored on your drive, type .dgn in your computer's search function and all your project files should be listed.

Click on the .dgn folder you're looking for. It'll take you to its location. Then right click on the one you want to copy and select Copy.

Then go to your other drive and right mouse click and Select the Paste Item option. If you have a Windows computer it should work in a similar way I would think. Hope this helps.

Thanks Anthony for the help.

I managed to do just that and there is now a copy of the project on the other drive. That copy is 20GB.   Now I also managed to copy and transfer all the 1500 TIFF files to my desktop just in case, but that folder is 87 GB, not 20.  I am assuming by copying and pasting the project all I did was pasting the low resolution files and not the TIFF files that will be used when producing the movie?

My problem was that after copying the project to the other drive I still needed to free drive space and I think I made a mistake and deleted the all TIFF files from that full drive...

So the drive looks great now, lots of space and I am able to re-load the project from the drive I moved the project to (which also has space), but I am suspicious that I don't have the full resolution TIFF pictures anymore...all I am looking at are the feed ones - because how can 87GB become 20GB?

If this is what happened, I guess my option is to import the 87GB from my desktop (thank God I saved it !) and go from there.  I hope the feed files will reconnect/re-associate with the TIFF files again? 

I wish there was a course online that taught the software from the ground up.  The user guide does not cover the little steps for a newbie like myself.  Lots to learn!

Thanks Anthony!

M.

If you go to your .dgn folder and open it up, you should see all your takes and image files. Here is a screen shot showing how it appears on my computer. I shot RAW(cr2) and jpgs and you can see they are all in there.

Like Anthony's screenshot shows -

Look at the project folders on your computer - there will be a folder for each take, and in those will be seperate folders for Backup, Feed, and the actual shot.  I clicked on BrnJenkinA, in there were 3 takes plus Tests.  I looked at take 3, which is named in this format: BrnJenkinA_001_Take_03, and in mine it has a little green Dragonframe logo instead of the generic blue file icon. The folder with the hi res images is BrnJenkinA_001_03_X1.  In there I can see the CR2 image for each frame, with the Jpg of the same frame.  You can click on one and see a thumbnail plus the image size in pixels and file size, or you can open one to check it if you like. In my case it tells me it is 5184 x 3456 pixels, which would apply to the CR2, Tiff, or Jpg image.  The feed will be the much smaller live view image, in my case 1056 x 704 pixels.  

If it is a Canon Raw CR2 image, when opening it in Photoshop or AE you will get a window where you make some choices about the exposure and colour - once you have done that and clicked ok, it will also generate another file, the xmp file that has info on the exposure settings you set - you can see those in Anthony's folder.  If you only shot Jpgs, and I think if it is Tiffs, you won't get that file, it is only for CR2 images that need to be converted.  

As long as you have that folder and the hi res images in it, You have what matters.

Just to pick up on something in the original post. You talked about removing rigs in another program then importing back into DF.

I think this is a mistake a lot of people make. DF is just for capturing the images. Once you have them in a folder and need to process them, that is really the end of using DF for that shot. Don't bring stuff back into DF, go on to After Effects, Photoshop etc.

You also do not need to use the Export from Dragonframe facility. DF stores the images in a folder for you automatically, so you can just go and get the image sequence from there to import into AE etc. When I was starting out I had all sorts of confusion with trying to export shots from DF, until someone pointed this out to me.

It does get easier, but it is a steep learning curve to begin with!

Great tip Simon, thank you StopmoNick and Anthony !

My laptop crashed yesterday, garbage now. Thank God I saved the TIFF files in my desktop.

As soon as I get a new laptop I will follow all your advice for sure, this has been a great help.

With the new laptop I will use an external drive just in case this happens again. 

thank you!!!

M.

Whew, good thing you backed it up. I recommend backing up every once in awhile, even mid shot, if it's a long shot, just in case.

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